'What many don't understand is that autopsies are done to determine the cause of death, not events leading to death.'
Krishnan's family rejects 2nd autopsy result
Pemerhati: The main question here is, can you get a pathologist in Malaysia who would dare give an opinion that is truthful and that exposes the wrongdoing by the enforcement agencies?
The happenings at the A Kugan, Teoh Beng Hock and Anwar Ibrahim's cases suggest that it is most unlikely. In Kugan's case, we saw how the authorities tried to discredit evidence which showed that Kugan died from police injuries, by getting several pathologists to contradict him.
In Teoh's case, they had probably "turned over" and scared the expatriate pathologist from a developing country, and used him to assist a local pathologist. We only learnt of their shoddy work after the Thai pathologist, Dr Pornthip Rajasunand, carried out her examination.
In Anwar's sodomy case, the bizarre behaviour of the doctors in not referring to their notes indicates strong pressure is being applied on them by PM Najib Abdul Razak and Umno. As things stand now, Najib and BN can intimidate any public official they like and make them do whatever they want.
P Dev Anand Pillai: If only the doctors are truthful, the police will be caught but unfortunately, do you think the doctor is going to write the truth? The medical profession has been bastardised and prostituted. All we have now are qualified automatons who are only capable of taking orders.
So poor Indian folks, beware, the police can catch and kill and no one can question them. To all Indian boys out there, learn a skill, learn some English and get the hell out of Malaysia. Once there, bring the rest of the family.
Tired: The problem with some people is that they only want to believe and accept something which concurs with their belief. In this case, they are convinced this guy has been murdered, so the autopsy must support their conviction.
What many don't understand is that autopsies are done to determine the cause of death, not events leading to death. So, the family must accept that he died of ulcer, what they can pursue is whether the alleged beatings and lack of treatment have contributed or hastened Krishnan's demise.
There is really no need to disparage, curse, malign and ridicule the pathologist, who is only doing his job, which is to determine the cause of death and nothing else.
Lonestar: The direct cause of death could well be bleeding gastric ulcer. But in this day and age, not many individuals die from this cause if adequate and prompt and proper treatment is provided. And such treatment is easily available in Malaysia.
Krishnan's family rejects 2nd autopsy result
Pemerhati: The main question here is, can you get a pathologist in Malaysia who would dare give an opinion that is truthful and that exposes the wrongdoing by the enforcement agencies?
The happenings at the A Kugan, Teoh Beng Hock and Anwar Ibrahim's cases suggest that it is most unlikely. In Kugan's case, we saw how the authorities tried to discredit evidence which showed that Kugan died from police injuries, by getting several pathologists to contradict him.
In Teoh's case, they had probably "turned over" and scared the expatriate pathologist from a developing country, and used him to assist a local pathologist. We only learnt of their shoddy work after the Thai pathologist, Dr Pornthip Rajasunand, carried out her examination.
In Anwar's sodomy case, the bizarre behaviour of the doctors in not referring to their notes indicates strong pressure is being applied on them by PM Najib Abdul Razak and Umno. As things stand now, Najib and BN can intimidate any public official they like and make them do whatever they want.
P Dev Anand Pillai: If only the doctors are truthful, the police will be caught but unfortunately, do you think the doctor is going to write the truth? The medical profession has been bastardised and prostituted. All we have now are qualified automatons who are only capable of taking orders.
So poor Indian folks, beware, the police can catch and kill and no one can question them. To all Indian boys out there, learn a skill, learn some English and get the hell out of Malaysia. Once there, bring the rest of the family.
Tired: The problem with some people is that they only want to believe and accept something which concurs with their belief. In this case, they are convinced this guy has been murdered, so the autopsy must support their conviction.
What many don't understand is that autopsies are done to determine the cause of death, not events leading to death. So, the family must accept that he died of ulcer, what they can pursue is whether the alleged beatings and lack of treatment have contributed or hastened Krishnan's demise.
There is really no need to disparage, curse, malign and ridicule the pathologist, who is only doing his job, which is to determine the cause of death and nothing else.
Lonestar: The direct cause of death could well be bleeding gastric ulcer. But in this day and age, not many individuals die from this cause if adequate and prompt and proper treatment is provided. And such treatment is easily available in Malaysia.
What could have contributed to Krishnan's death in custody could most likely be the lack of the just mentioned. Did the alleged beating have contributed to it?
Were his complaints related to the bleeding ulcer not given prompt and proper attention? Was he deprived of adequate medical attention? Questions, questions, questions needing answers.
Zimbobwe: If Krishnan was a long-time sufferer from gastritis and was prone to bleeding ulcers, getting kicked around and beaten by a gang of uniformed Orcs certainly wouldn't have helped. In fact, it's probably what led to his death. Even if the clinical cause of death was bleeding gastric ulcers, what exacerbated his condition and turned it lethal must be taken into account.
ACR: There is an astounding comment here suggesting that "autopsies are done to determine cause of death, not events leading to death". So we are to believe that stomach ulcers kill and the bruises on Krishnan's body was there but had nothing to do with his death.
We are expected to believe this since this country has government agencies that postulate dying by self-strangulation for example. Aren't we all proud of the logic and brilliance of all these government institutions.
John Noel Bright: In most third world countries the marginalised and the minorities will never get justice. It is sad but it is a fact. Only civilised societies could bring about changes and the needed care for this group. In Malaysia, the reality is that, that level has not been reached.
Neither the opposition nor the ruling party are made up of people with conscience. They are are only there for the votes and that's all.
Changeagent: Stomach ulcers? I'm surprised that they didn't conclude that the victim died from kicking himself in the stomach.
Zimbobwe: If Krishnan was a long-time sufferer from gastritis and was prone to bleeding ulcers, getting kicked around and beaten by a gang of uniformed Orcs certainly wouldn't have helped. In fact, it's probably what led to his death. Even if the clinical cause of death was bleeding gastric ulcers, what exacerbated his condition and turned it lethal must be taken into account.
ACR: There is an astounding comment here suggesting that "autopsies are done to determine cause of death, not events leading to death". So we are to believe that stomach ulcers kill and the bruises on Krishnan's body was there but had nothing to do with his death.
We are expected to believe this since this country has government agencies that postulate dying by self-strangulation for example. Aren't we all proud of the logic and brilliance of all these government institutions.
John Noel Bright: In most third world countries the marginalised and the minorities will never get justice. It is sad but it is a fact. Only civilised societies could bring about changes and the needed care for this group. In Malaysia, the reality is that, that level has not been reached.
Neither the opposition nor the ruling party are made up of people with conscience. They are are only there for the votes and that's all.
Changeagent: Stomach ulcers? I'm surprised that they didn't conclude that the victim died from kicking himself in the stomach.
Isa@1penyu: If PAS wants to hit below the belt, BN, too, can dig up a lot of things on everyone in PAS. Tell us what PAS has done right rather than harping on personal weaknesses.
PAS, we want to listen to what you have in store if we vote for you, not hitting BN or its candidate. Be a party with strong principles, not like DAP and PKR followers. We liked PAS more when you stood your ground on Islam.
Ghkok: When district officers make questionable decisions about people's land, it is definitely not a "small matter". It is a question of integrity and an issue of judgement. It tells a lot about a person's character in relation to a position of authority.
It is definitely a question that requires the candidate for the post of state assemblyperson to provide clear answers, and not just shrug it off and say "it's the court's decision".
This issue is very relevant and PAS has rightly brought it up because it has everything to do with a person's ability and character to hold a position of authority, whereas the issue of whether the person wears gloves to shake hands is merely symbolic, and less to do with decision-making ability and integrity.
PAS, we want to listen to what you have in store if we vote for you, not hitting BN or its candidate. Be a party with strong principles, not like DAP and PKR followers. We liked PAS more when you stood your ground on Islam.
Ghkok: When district officers make questionable decisions about people's land, it is definitely not a "small matter". It is a question of integrity and an issue of judgement. It tells a lot about a person's character in relation to a position of authority.
It is definitely a question that requires the candidate for the post of state assemblyperson to provide clear answers, and not just shrug it off and say "it's the court's decision".
This issue is very relevant and PAS has rightly brought it up because it has everything to do with a person's ability and character to hold a position of authority, whereas the issue of whether the person wears gloves to shake hands is merely symbolic, and less to do with decision-making ability and integrity.
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